Comments for Vote No to Lisbon Treaty http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com People Before Profit Alliance Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:40:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Anti-Lisbon groups plan to protest during Sarkozy’s visit by Aoife FitzGerald http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/anti-lisbon-groups-plan-to-protest-during-sarkozys-visit/#comment-43 Aoife FitzGerald Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:40:13 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=84#comment-43 I feel very angry at the way that the European politicians are dismissing the Irish referendum, showing a contempt and a disregard for the democratic voice of the people here, this was one of the reasons why I voted no. I felt there was a disregard for the democratic process, we were told that the treaty could not go forward without ratification from all the countries obviously this means only if you are one of the large primary countries in the EU. Democracy is about everyone’s voice. I list below some of the issues that made me vote no, and why I will object to voting on this issue for a second time. 1. Changing the voting system in many areas from consensus voting to qualified majority voting using population size as part of its criteria (this favours the large countries) and at the same time reducing what is an important voice for small countries on EU legislation by having a commissioner for only 10 out of every 15 years. This is a risky move with regards to all member state. 2. In the structural decision-making there are too many working parties of undisclosed people who have not been elected and are not answerable to the general population of Europe for their action. Many of the decision and actions of these group are not done in an open forum and are difficult, if not impossible to access, so that we can ascertain whether they are working for the people of the EU or for corporate institution etc 3. In regards to Neutrality, while the Irish might not have to actually fight in any war. I do know though that money from our taxes will be used to fund armaments. This to me means we are compromised and no longer a neutral country. 4. Many of the parties said that democracy was not an issue, in the Lisbon treaty; to my mind it is the most important issue. I myself would have been happy to remain a Community of Europe (this is what we originally went into Europe for). But I do think that an United States of Europe is the way that we are going and therefore I think it is very important to make sure that in the basic legal structure of this U.S.E has at its core a democratic structure, perhaps not unlike the two house USA model with its elected representatives. This is going to be a situation, which our grandchildren will have to deal with and I would hate to think that we were leaving them a state where their civil rights were greatly diminished. 5. The main political parties said that voting No might endanger the EU; I do not believe this to be the situation. I believe that if the Irish keep a cool head and think clearly that our voting No will make the MEP and all the others with in the greater European union think more deeply about what they are getting involved in. Perhaps if they act rather then react to the Irish NO vote, they will realise that they need to go back to the drawing board and rewrite the treaty. Hopefully this time not treating the public with such contempt and producing a document which will create a better Europe, not a Europe that is seriously deficit as a democratic entity. Aoife I feel very angry at the way that the European politicians are dismissing the Irish referendum, showing a contempt and a disregard for the democratic voice of the people here, this was one of the reasons why I voted no. I felt there was a disregard for the democratic process, we were told that the treaty could not go forward without ratification from all the countries obviously this means only if you are one of the large primary countries in the EU. Democracy is about everyone’s voice. I list below some of the issues that made me vote no, and why I will object to voting on this issue for a second time.

1. Changing the voting system in many areas from consensus voting to qualified majority voting using population size as part of its criteria (this favours the large countries) and at the same time reducing what is an important voice for small countries on EU legislation by having a commissioner for only 10 out of every 15 years. This is a risky move with regards to all member state.
2. In the structural decision-making there are too many working parties of undisclosed people who have not been elected and are not answerable to the general population of Europe for their action. Many of the decision and actions of these group are not done in an open forum and are difficult, if not impossible to access, so that we can ascertain whether they are working for the people of the EU or for corporate institution etc
3. In regards to Neutrality, while the Irish might not have to actually fight in any war. I do know though that money from our taxes will be used to fund armaments. This to me means we are compromised and no longer a neutral country.
4. Many of the parties said that democracy was not an issue, in the Lisbon treaty; to my mind it is the most important issue. I myself would have been happy to remain a Community of Europe (this is what we originally went into Europe for). But I do think that an United States of Europe is the way that we are going and therefore I think it is very important to make sure that in the basic legal structure of this U.S.E has at its core a democratic structure, perhaps not unlike the two house USA model with its elected representatives. This is going to be a situation, which our grandchildren will have to deal with and I would hate to think that we were leaving them a state where their civil rights were greatly diminished.
5. The main political parties said that voting No might endanger the EU; I do not believe this to be the situation. I believe that if the Irish keep a cool head and think clearly that our voting No will make the MEP and all the others with in the greater European union think more deeply about what they are getting involved in. Perhaps if they act rather then react to the Irish NO vote, they will realise that they need to go back to the drawing board and rewrite the treaty. Hopefully this time not treating the public with such contempt and producing a document which will create a better Europe, not a Europe that is seriously deficit as a democratic entity.
Aoife

]]> Comment on Anti-Lisbon groups plan to protest during Sarkozy’s visit by Emma O'Ray http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/anti-lisbon-groups-plan-to-protest-during-sarkozys-visit/#comment-42 Emma O'Ray Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:55:58 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=84#comment-42 Vote online - still - at www.FreeEurope.info. This is an alternative, not sponsored from Brussels. Vote online – still – at http://www.FreeEurope.info. This is an alternative, not sponsored from Brussels.

]]> Comment on No to Lisbon www.sayno.ie Press Conference by bacquelot http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/no-to-lisbon-wwwsaynoie-press-conference/#comment-36 bacquelot Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:33:38 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-36 bravo, bravo, bravo et mille fois merci aux Irlandais. Anne-Laure , France bravo, bravo, bravo et mille fois merci aux Irlandais.
Anne-Laure , France

]]> Comment on About the No to Lisbon Treaty Campaign by François http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/about/#comment-35 François Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:29:01 +0000 #comment-35 Congratulations and THANK YOU, Irish people! With your astounding NO to the Lisbon Treaty, You just avenged French and Dutch people who had been so scandalously frustrated from their astounding NOs to the European Constitution! You cannot realize how much we feel indebted to you, Irish brothers! May God bless for ever the Catholic land of St Patrick! I do hope the Brussels anti-democratic clowns will have learnt their lesson this time, if only they want to escape the European peoples' wrath! -- François Thouvenin (France) Congratulations and THANK YOU, Irish people! With your astounding NO
to the Lisbon Treaty, You just avenged French and Dutch people who had
been so scandalously frustrated from their astounding NOs to the
European Constitution! You cannot realize how much we feel indebted to
you, Irish brothers! May God bless for ever the Catholic land of St
Patrick! I do hope the Brussels anti-democratic clowns will have
learnt their lesson this time, if only they want to escape the
European peoples’ wrath!

–
François Thouvenin
(France)

]]> Comment on Treaty ‘will speed up’ health privatisation by Women Say NO to the Lisbon Treaty « People Before Profit http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/treaty-will-speed-up-health-privatisation/#comment-27 Women Say NO to the Lisbon Treaty « People Before Profit Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:26:10 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=61#comment-27 [...] here to read entire [...] [...] here to read entire [...]

]]> Comment on Campaigners call for Lisbon ‘No’ vote by Alain http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/campaigners-call-for-lisbon-no-vote/#comment-26 Alain Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:37:19 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=42#comment-26 I am French and I voted No with the constitutional treaty like the immense majority of my compatriots in spite of an important lobbying of many Europeans persons in charge. The German people would have voted No had asked them for their opinion. President SARKOZY had stated at the time of the presidential campaign that he would start Europe with a mini treaty making a better place with the social aspect. It lied. After a show of negotiation in Lisbon of the Europeans persons in charge whose our president, the treaty returned identical equipped by the communication of state itself relayed by media agitation mainly acquired to Yes. The law was voted by the parliament scorning the vote for all and the will of the French people. Today the French president to take pleasure in Europe demolishes all the social projections that our parent and large parents had succeeded in obtaining. The French see their future gloomily and very many are those which do not make confidence in this Europe at all. My matter is only the simple testimony of a French who sees more and more the poor in his country and of the increasingly powerful rich person I am French and I voted No with the constitutional treaty like the immense majority of my compatriots in spite of an important lobbying of many Europeans persons in charge. The German people would have voted No had asked them for their opinion. President SARKOZY had stated at the time of the presidential campaign that he would start Europe with a mini treaty making a better place with the social aspect. It lied.
After a show of negotiation in Lisbon of the Europeans persons in charge whose our president, the treaty returned identical equipped by the communication of state itself relayed by media agitation mainly acquired to Yes. The law was voted by the parliament scorning the vote for all and the will of the French people. Today the French president to take pleasure in Europe demolishes all the social projections that our parent and large parents had succeeded in obtaining. The French see their future gloomily and very many are those which do not make confidence in this Europe at all. My matter is only the simple testimony of a French who sees more and more the poor in his country and of the increasingly powerful rich person

]]> Comment on Quote of the Day on RTE Lisbon Website by Seamus Gallagher http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/quote-of-the-day-on-rte-lisbon-website/#comment-25 Seamus Gallagher Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:16:13 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=19#comment-25 800 YEARS TO GET A SOVEREIGN CONSTITUTION,LESS THAN 100 TO GIVE IT AWAY.SHAME ON YOU POLITICIANS ! 800 YEARS TO GET A SOVEREIGN CONSTITUTION,LESS THAN 100 TO GIVE IT AWAY.SHAME ON YOU POLITICIANS !

]]> Comment on About the No to Lisbon Treaty Campaign by carlo di fabio http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/about/#comment-22 carlo di fabio Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:26:12 +0000 #comment-22 my case at german constitutional court (supreme court) will be decided soon: creating a german people's constitutional assembly, based on article 146 grundgesetz (german constitution). latest 2010 this assembly should come together and present a proposal for a constitutional assembly in all member-states of the EU. an iris NO opens the way for this strategy of direct democracy. at the same time switzerland will be more interested to be memeber of the EU. theay are n o t interested n o w, because there is no direct democracy in the EU and the democratic legitimation of the EU-institutions is not strong/high enough. the german supreme court has two cases against lisbon treaty to decide next days/weeks. one is raised by me. OBAMA should realize a people's constitutional assembly in the USA, too. thomas jefferson, former president of the US said, people should vote every 20 years on constitution. so new york state is doing it. see: "the wisdom of crowds" written by an us-journalist... get up, stand up, fight for your rights!... BOB MARLEY my case at german constitutional court (supreme court) will be decided soon: creating a german people’s constitutional assembly, based on article 146 grundgesetz (german constitution).

latest 2010 this assembly should come together and present a proposal for a constitutional assembly in all member-states of the EU.
an iris NO opens the way for this strategy of direct democracy. at the same time switzerland will be more interested to be memeber of the EU. theay are n o t interested n o w, because there is no direct democracy in the EU and the democratic legitimation of the EU-institutions is not strong/high enough.
the german supreme court has two cases against lisbon treaty to decide next days/weeks. one is raised by me.

OBAMA should realize a people’s constitutional assembly
in the USA, too. thomas jefferson, former president of the US said, people should vote every 20 years on constitution. so new york state is doing it.
see: “the wisdom of crowds” written by an us-journalist…

get up, stand up, fight for your rights!… BOB MARLEY

]]> Comment on About the No to Lisbon Treaty Campaign by carlo di fabio http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/about/#comment-21 carlo di fabio Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:16:52 +0000 #comment-21 dear friends of people's power and direct democracy! you will get much more NO-votes, if you propose a constitutional assembly of c i t i z e n s in europe. chosen by lottery and some criteria like: no party-membership, no lobby-contacts... see for example lay-judges (court). get more: 0049/69/7392528 (9-12) kindest regards! venceremos! carlo di fabio, world leading political artist + eco- futurist, inspired by joseph beuys and others dear friends of people’s power and direct democracy!

you will get much more NO-votes, if you propose a constitutional assembly of c i t i z e n s in europe. chosen by lottery and some criteria like: no party-membership, no lobby-contacts…
see for example lay-judges (court).
get more: 0049/69/7392528 (9-12)

kindest regards! venceremos!

carlo di fabio, world leading political artist + eco- futurist, inspired by joseph beuys and others

]]> Comment on CPSU General Secretary’s claims on Lisbon Treaty are misleading by CPSU General Secretary’s claims on Lisbon Treaty are misleading « People Before Profit http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/cpsu-general-secretary%e2%80%99s-claims-on-lisbon-treaty-are-misleading/#comment-4 CPSU General Secretary’s claims on Lisbon Treaty are misleading « People Before Profit Sat, 17 May 2008 09:59:06 +0000 http://no2lisbon.wordpress.com/?p=38#comment-4 [...] Read response here [...] [...] Read response here [...]

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